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 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Hungarian Strategic AD: A Cold War Case Study |
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This thread is for discussing the IMINT & Analysis feature on Hungarian Cold War strategic air defenses.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Their current SA-6 garrison is at Gyor.
Here's a possible prepared site for a battery:
47.708086 17.688002
One could safely assume that the Gyor SA-6 garrison was also used during the cold war.
They also had SA-4s, no idea about the location of those. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Found some info, at some point between 1983 and 1989 there were 6 SA-6 garrisons and 1 SA-4 garrison. One of the SA-6s was in fact at Gyor, I'm working out the other locations.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| SOC wrote: | | Found some info, at some point between 1983 and 1989 there were 6 SA-6 garrisons and 1 SA-4 garrison. One of the SA-6s was in fact at Gyor, I'm working out the other locations. |
Hi,
The first SA6 (soviet name: KUB) regiment was the 7th at Keszthely. In 1975 they received 5pcs KUB-M1 systems.
In 1977, the 14th regiment received 3pcs KUB-M2 system, at Gyor.
In 1979, the 18th regiment received 3pcs KUB-M2 system, at Nagykanizsa.
In 1981, the 7th regiment (Keszthely) received 6pcs SA4 (soviet name: KRUG) system, their 5pcs KUB-M1 was reallocated to other regiments.
The 15th regiment at Kalocsa, received 3pcs KUB-M1 from Keszthely, the 14th and the 18th received 1-1pcs.
At 1989, the picture looked like:
7th regiment, Keszthely, 6pcs KRUG
14th regiment, Gyor, 3pcs KUB-M2, 1pcs KUB-M1
15th regiment, Kalocsa, 3pcs KUB-M1
18th regiment, Nagykanizsa, 3pcs KUB-M2, 1pcs KUB-M1
At 1991, the Cold War ended, the YuGeVe (Southern Group of Soviet Forces) left Hungary.
The 18th regiment was disbanded.
At 1991, the picture looked like:
7th regiment, Keszthely, 6pcs KRUG
14th regiment, Gyor, 5pcs KUB-M2, 1pcs KUB-M1
15th regiment, Kalocsa, 5pcs KUB-M1
At 1997, all the three regiments were disbanded, and two new organized.
12th regiment, Gyor, 5pcs KUB-M2, and 4pcs KRUG
5th regiment, Nagyoroszi, with French Mistral missiles.
At 2004, the 5th regiment was also disbanded, and the Mistrals were allocated to the 12th.
Currently the 12th is the only SAM regiment in Hungary.
If you have any question about the Hungarian SAM units, please ask.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Hungarian Strategic AD: A Cold War Case Study |
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| SOC wrote: | | This thread is for discussing the IMINT & Analysis feature on Hungarian Cold War strategic air defenses. |
I think, that the mistake of the analysis is the absence of the MN (Hungarian Peoples Army), and YuGeVE (Southern Group of Soviet Forces) air defense regiments.
Here is a picture containing their destruction zones:
(The forum is not allowing me to insert picture...)
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Hungarian Strategic AD: A Cold War Case Study |
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| SOC wrote: | | This thread is for discussing the IMINT & Analysis feature on Hungarian Cold War strategic air defenses. |
If you have any question about the Hungarian SAM units, please ask.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Hungarian Strategic AD: A Cold War Case Study |
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| SOC wrote: | | This thread is for discussing the IMINT & Analysis feature on Hungarian Cold War strategic air defenses. |
Air Defense Missile systems, that were used by MN (Hungarian Peoples Army) during the Cold War:
Territorial Air Defense
SA-2A/F, Dvina
SA-2C/D, Volhov
SA-3, Neva
SA-5, Vega
Army Air Defense
SA-4, KRUG
SA-6, KUB
SA-7, Strela-2
SA-9, Strela-1
SA-13, Strela-10
SA-16, Igla
Air defense missile systems, that were used in Hungary by the YuGeVe (Southern Group of Soviet Forces) during the Cold War:
SA-2A/F, Dvina
SA-3, Neva
SA-4, KRUG
SA-6, KUB
SA-7, Strela-2
SA-9, Strela-1
SA-11, Buk
SA-13, Strela-10
SA-16, Igla |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Hungarian Strategic AD: A Cold War Case Study |
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| Hpasp wrote: | | SOC wrote: | | This thread is for discussing the IMINT & Analysis feature on Hungarian Cold War strategic air defenses. |
I think, that the mistake of the analysis is the absence of the MN (Hungarian Peoples Army), and YuGeVE (Southern Group of Soviet Forces) air defense regiments.
Here is a picture containing their destruction zones:
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Here it is:
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| SOC wrote: | | Found some info, at some point between 1983 and 1989 there were 6 SA-6 garrisons and 1 SA-4 garrison. One of the SA-6s was in fact at Gyor, I'm working out the other locations. |
Hi,
That info is surely misleading.
The MN (Hungarian Peoples Army) had 3 SA6 garrison:
14th regiment, Gyor
15th regiment, Kalocsa
18th regiment, Nagykanizsa
The YuGeVe (Southern Group of Soviet Forces) had 4 SA-6 garrison:
159th regiment, Komárom
1092th regiment, Lepsény
1098th regiment, Nagykorös
1215th regiment, Szentkirályszabadja
YuGeVe also had SA-4, and SA-11 units in Hungary, beside the SA-3's at the airports.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so the Krugs, the Buks, and some of the Kubs were in fact Soviet. That helps a lot. I'll look through the info you provided and see about updating the article. If I need anything else clarified you'll be the first to know!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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SOC, one Krug battery was Hungarian, see Hpasp's first post.
What is the difference (both visual and in performance) between Kub-M1 and Kub-M2? |
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About the Hungarian Radiotechnical Troops (in 1989):
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 1.Battalion, Local-Company, Pápa
47.254914 17.466875°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 1.Battalion, 5.Company, Molnaszecsöd
47.054918° 16.655977°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 1.Battalion, 6.Company, Fertöszentmiklós
47.553735° 16.867225°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 1.Battalion, 10.Company, Bezenye
47.939320° 17.195810°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 2.Battalion, 1.Company, Juta
46.394970° 17.734236°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 2.Battalion, 2.Company, Homokszentgyörgy
46.130681° 17.562839°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 2.Battalion, 4.Company, Sormás
46.444309° 16.912406°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 2.Battalion, 4.Company, Sormás-Bocska
46.536753° 16.882505°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 2.Battalion, 9.Company, Egerág
45.994158° 18.315156°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 3.Battalion, Local-Company, Érd
47.416062° 18.856210°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 3.Battalion, 8.Company, Velence
47.184156° 18.680531°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 3.Battalion, 11.Company, Tata
47.704381° 18.363987°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 3.Battalion, 12.Company, Boldog
47.619071° 19.673780°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 4.Battalion, Local-Company, Sárbogárd-Szarvaspuszta
46.892525° 18.681821°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 4.Battalion, 3.Company, Pusztaszemes
46.750407° 17.924247°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 4.Battalion, 20.Company, Kiskörös
46.605019° 19.301650°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 4.Battalion, 21.Company, Medina
46.472162° 18.619609°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 5.Battalion, 13.Company, Városföld
46.858289° 19.753465°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 5.Battalion, 14.Company, Baja
46.137290° 18.958726°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 5.Battalion, 15.Company, Újszentiván
46.193640° 20.165841°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 5.Battalion, 16.Company, Békéscsaba-Fürjes
46.684122° 21.013182°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 6.Battalion, 17.Company, Mezöcsát
47.802321° 20.898206°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 6.Battalion, 18.Company, Szolnok
47.134212° 20.232937°
54.Radiotechnical Brigade, 6.Battalion, 19.Company, Debrecen
47.492927° 21.630882°
Each Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to an air defense regiment/brigade.
1. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 47th Fighter Regiment, Papa
2. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 31th Fighter Regiment, Taszar
3. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 11th SAM Brigade, Erd
4. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 104th SAM Regiment, Sarbogard
5. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 59th Fighter Regiment, Kecskemet
6. Radiotechnical Battalion was assigned to the 105th SAM Regiment, Miskolc
The 54th current website:
http://www.hm.gov.hu/honvedseg/mh_54._legterellenorzo_ezred
Currently active bases:
Kup, Juta, Debrecen,Békéscsaba, Medina, Bánkút |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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If You would like to expand Your Cold War Case Study, I can describe the development of the Radiotechnical troops from 1949 till today.
Also avaiable is the development of the fighter regiments from 1957. |
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